How far should we rely on science to make political decisions? What makes a good science advisor — or a good science advice system? What do we do when the evidence is incomplete or controversial? What happens when science advice goes wrong and how can we fix it? We explore these questions, and many more, in conversation with the researchers, policymakers and communicators who make science advice happen around the world. The Science for Policy podcast is produced the Scientific Advice Mechanism to the European Commission and hosted by Toby Wardman. The many and varied opinions expressed on this podcast are those of the guests themselves. They do not necessarily represent the views of SAPEA or the European Commission.
Episodes
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Should scientists get involved in public campaigning, lobbying or advocating for causes close to their heart — or close to their research? If so, what are the responsibilities of scientists and their employing institutions — and what are the potential pitfalls?
In this episode, Toby Wardman takes a deep dive into these questions with Professor Eric Guilyardi, a member of the ethics committee of the French national centre for scientific research, and the co-author of its opinion on public advocacy by scientists.
Monday Nov 04, 2024
Alessandro Allegra on the role of secretariats in science advice
Monday Nov 04, 2024
Monday Nov 04, 2024
We often shine the spotlight on the advisors whose high-profile work comes at the end of the science advice process, and on the academics whose research it's based on. But there is a third important actor in this process, often working informally, sometimes moving in the shadows – the faceless bureaucrat or administrator. Alessandro Allegra dedicated his PhD studies to analysing the role of science advice secretariats, what they do, and how formal that role should be. And he spills the beans to Toby Wardman in this episode.
Monday Oct 21, 2024
Andrea Heilrath and Clara Roca-Sastre on arts in science advice
Monday Oct 21, 2024
Monday Oct 21, 2024
People are forever saying that science advice should not just be about the natural sciences, but also about the social sciences, humanities and arts. And yet lumping those three categories together conceals a host of interesting complications. The contribution of the social sciences and humanities to policymaking is relatively easy to conceptualise, even if sometimes challenging in execution.
But the arts? How can artists contribute to research, add to scientific evidence, or have an impact on scientific advice to policy? Or is the role of art limited to public engagement?
In this episode, two working physicists who are also artists, Clara Roca-Sastre and Andrea Heilrath, explore this topic in dialogue with Toby Wardman, our own science communicator who is also an artist. Enjoy!
Monday Oct 07, 2024
Karen Yeung on evidence use in AI policymaking
Monday Oct 07, 2024
Monday Oct 07, 2024
Karen Yeung is an interdisciplinary professor at the University of Birmingham, specialising in AI. In this episode, she discusses with Toby Wardman the uses of AI in evidence-based policymaking, and the uses of evidence in AI policymaking.
Monday Sep 09, 2024
Mikel Landabaso on science and innovation for development policy
Monday Sep 09, 2024
Monday Sep 09, 2024
Mikel Landabaso, Director for Fair and Sustainable Economy in the European Commission’s Joint Research Centre, knows a fair few things about the role of science and technology innovation in informing regional development policy and promoting regeneration. In this episode, he talks to Toby Wardman about how it works, how his advice has been taken, and the strategies to adopt when policymakers or stakeholders aren't able to appreciate it on its own terms.
Monday Aug 26, 2024
Maggie Dugan on bringing people together
Monday Aug 26, 2024
Monday Aug 26, 2024
Monday Aug 12, 2024
Linda Lammensalo on writing a handbook for Finnish researchers
Monday Aug 12, 2024
Monday Aug 12, 2024
The Finnish Academy of Science and Letters has been active in the science-for-policy space in Finland for decades, including in recent years playing a leading role in setting up an important science advice mechanism for the Finnish government. Now it has also published a comprehensive handbook for researchers, with advice and practical exercises to help guide them in their first steps in policy engagement.
In this episode, Linda Lammensalo talks to Toby Wardman about what's in the handbook and why.
Resources mentioned in this episode
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Science Europe guidance: https://www.scienceeurope.org/our-resources/guidance-science-for-policy/
Monday Jul 29, 2024
ChatGPT on science advice
Monday Jul 29, 2024
Monday Jul 29, 2024
What does our most advanced AI, trained on the sum total of all human knowledge, have to say about the challenges of the science-policy interface? And can it tell a good joke? (Hint: The answer to that one is no.)
Monday Jul 15, 2024
Episode 100: Live from Helsinki
Monday Jul 15, 2024
Monday Jul 15, 2024
Debating questions
Resources mentioned in this episode
- SRI Congress 2024: https://sricongress.org/home/about-sri2024/
- The noble vibraslap, queen of percussion instruments: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibraslap
- Spotify playlist featuring the vibraslap: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3pXPF32AkTNcRfNswxnaWq?si=bdb62b8d74dd4151
Monday Jul 01, 2024
Claudia Chwalisz on science and expertise in innovative forms of government
Monday Jul 01, 2024
Monday Jul 01, 2024
Resources mentioned in this episode
- DemocracyNext: https://www.demnext.org/
Monday Jun 17, 2024
Nicola Dotti on guidelines for science advice organisations
Monday Jun 17, 2024
Monday Jun 17, 2024
In recent months, there's been a small explosion of guidelines and handbooks on how to do science advice. In today's episode, Toby Wardman takes a deep dive into Science Europe's recent guidance for research-funding and research-performing organisations, in conversation with their author, Nicola Dotti.
Monday Jun 03, 2024
Andrea Emilio Rizzoli and Manuel Kugler on AI in science and science advice
Monday Jun 03, 2024
Monday Jun 03, 2024
This is probably the last podcast in the world to get round to talking about how AI is changing the world -- but we wanted to wait until we had the right people in the room to talk specifically about AI in relation to science, policy, and science-for-policy. If you like this conversation with Professor Andrea Rizzoli and Manuel Kugler -- and you will like it! -- stay tuned in the coming months, because we've got more AI-themed episodes up our sleeves.
Monday May 20, 2024
Caitlin Chin-Rothmann on misinformation, science and the media ecosystem
Monday May 20, 2024
Monday May 20, 2024
It's sometimes easy to forget that even the most well-designed science advice institution, and even the most persuasive advisor, are still operating as part of a broad ecosystem in which both policymakers and the general public are exposed to vast quantities of ostensibly factual information of varying quality, much of it mediated through algorithms. In this episode, Caitlin Chin-Rothmann from the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington DC talks us through this broader context and how science advisors can adapt to it.
Monday May 06, 2024
Vanesa Weyrauch and Leandro Echt on why context matters
Monday May 06, 2024
Monday May 06, 2024
Why does evidence sometimes land and sometimes not? Why do some policies fail even though the evidence suggests they should succeed? And what can we do about it? Saying "it's all about the context" is easy, but what does this actually mean? And more importantly, how can we make that into a useful insight in advance, rather than just a post-hoc justification for things not working out?
Vanesa Weyrauch and Leandro Echt have looked into this question in some detail, and their organisation, Purpose & Ideas, created a framework to tackle exactly these questions. In this episode, they discuss with Toby Wardman of the SAM not just why context matters, but what that actually means and what we can do about it.
Resources mentioned in this episode
- Context Matters framework: https://www.purposeandideas.org/post/context-matters-but-are-we-prepared-to-build-on-this
Monday Apr 22, 2024
Michael Bang Petersen on integrating psychology into policymaking
Monday Apr 22, 2024
Monday Apr 22, 2024
Politicians don't really have a great understanding of the citizens they serve, according to Michael Bang Petersen. In place of evidence from decades of psychological research, they tend to substitute their own instincts and common sense, together with more or less apposite fragments of behavioural science and economics. Nowhere was this more evident than during the early days of the Covid-19 pandemic, when opportunities to build trust and communicate science were squandered. Tune in and settle down for an intriguing tour of how things ought to be done.
Monday Apr 08, 2024
Dilek Fraisl on citizen science for policymaking
Monday Apr 08, 2024
Monday Apr 08, 2024
Monday Mar 25, 2024
Lena Höglund-Isaksson, Behnam Zakeri and Zuelclady Araujo on modelling
Monday Mar 25, 2024
Monday Mar 25, 2024
How do scientific models inform policymakers? How can they keep countries honest in international climate negotiations? When is uncertainty not so much of a problem? And how much does it matter if policymakers don't instantly grasp the ins and outs of a model which takes six months for scientists to learn? Join the SAM's Toby Wardman on a deep dive into what happens when scientific models meet international politics.
Monday Mar 11, 2024
Daniel Ospina and Judit Ungvári on science advice for climate negotiators
Monday Mar 11, 2024
Monday Mar 11, 2024
Climate change negotiators preparing for UN summits must sift through a truly intimidating quantity of scientific material to familiarise themselves with the latest evidence. That's why Future Earth, along with the Earth League and the World Climate Research Programme, has delivered its pithy 'Ten New Insights on Climate Change' every year since 2017.
But what is the process behind these reports? How are the insights chosen, by whom, and why? And what is it about this model of science advice that also made it attractive to the European Commission when it wanted to figure out which climate and biodiversity research to fund in the future? Daniel Ospina and Judit Ungvári talk to Toby Wardman of the SAM about the ins and outs of science advice at the highest level of global decision-making.
Resources mentioned in this episode
10 new climate insights: https://10insightsclimate.science/
Monday Feb 26, 2024
Patricia Gruber on science advice in the US state department
Monday Feb 26, 2024
Monday Feb 26, 2024
Dr Patricia Gruber is the science and technology advisor to Antony Blinken, President Biden's secretary of state. In a wide-ranging conversation with Toby Wardman from the SAM, she discusses how she got her job, what it's like, and what she can and can't do. She also lays out the US's approach to international science diplomacy, including the wisdom (or folly) or withholding scientific collaboration as a diplomatic measure.
Monday Feb 12, 2024
Marie Gaarder and Thomas Kelly on evidence for development policy
Monday Feb 12, 2024
Monday Feb 12, 2024
Resources mentioned in this episode
- Report 'When will we ever learn?': https://www.cgdev.org/publication/when-will-we-ever-learn-improving-lives-through-impact-evaluation
Monday Jan 29, 2024
Maja Fjaestad on the role of science in Sweden's Covid response
Monday Jan 29, 2024
Monday Jan 29, 2024
Monday Jan 15, 2024
Panel discussion on science advice in a crisis
Monday Jan 15, 2024
Monday Jan 15, 2024
In this special episode of the podcast recorded at a live event in 2023, four experts discuss the role of science advice in emergency situations: what challenges do science advisors face, and what opportunities should they seize?
With Tina Comes, professor at Technical University Delft; Barbara Prainsack, professor at the University of Vienna and chair of the European Group on Ethics in Science and New Technologies; Maarja Kruusmaa, professor at Tallinn University and member of the Group of Chief Scientific Advisors to the European Commission; and Daniela di Bucci, geologist and advisor to the Italian government.
Tuesday Jan 02, 2024
Bart van den Hurk and Jana Sillmann on storytelling
Tuesday Jan 02, 2024
Tuesday Jan 02, 2024
In a scientific field as complex and multifaceted as climate modelling, how do you communicate the realities of concrete impacts to stakeholders and policymakers? Two IPCC scientists, Bart van den Hurk and Jana Sillmann, are working on so-called 'storylines' techniques, which generate high-resolution, interdisciplinary stories to help decision-makers in all fields assess their own readiness for climate-related changes.
Resources mentioned in this episode
Monday Dec 11, 2023
Moniek Tromp on youth and diversity in science advice
Monday Dec 11, 2023
Monday Dec 11, 2023
How diverse are the people who work on scientific advice -- and why does this matter? Should we be involving more young people as experts, and are there any trade-offs in doing so? What impact might changes in academic culture more broadly have on the quality and availability of evidence for policy?
Professor Moniek Tromp, a founding member of the Young Academies Science Advice Structure and a member of the COARA coalition on improving research assessment, reflects on what's working well and why the rest is still so difficult.
Monday Nov 13, 2023
Tome Sandevski and Michèle Knodt on informal science-policy fellowships
Monday Nov 13, 2023
Monday Nov 13, 2023
Beyond the world of institutional design and formalised competences that tend to be the focus of science-for-policy scholarship, there are many less structured interfaces between the worlds of research and policymaking.
One such well-established interface is the Mercator science-policy fellowship, run by three German universities and headed by Tome Sandevski. In this episode, Toby Wardman of the SAM talks to Tome and his colleague Michèle Knodt, who is currently taking part in the scheme.